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This seems like a reasonable step forward.

I'd request that the editor consider the impact of these changes on the "alternate representative" role to make sure that role still works as expected/desired. I trust the editor's judgment on this interaction.

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The proposed text has mentions member associations, and therefore has a dependency on https://github.com/w3c/board/issues/249

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Language tweaks for clarity.

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Looks good with either of the suggested fixes by @TallTed.

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The Revising W3C Process CG just discussed https://github.com/w3c/process/pull/937.

The full IRC log of that discussion <brent> subtopic: https://github.com//pull/937
<brent> Github: https://github.com//pull/937
<Ian> Florian: There was a recent discussion that did not yet converge. I think there is going to be a survey to gather more information.
<Ian> ...let's postpone this one.
<Ian> Brent: Yes, Board and AB are looking at this.

@frivoal frivoal marked this pull request as draft January 20, 2026 09:31
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See w3c/AB-memberonly#247

Co-authored-by: fantasai <fantasai.bugs@inkedblade.net>
Co-authored-by: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
Co-authored-by: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
Co-authored-by: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
The Process only needs to concern itself with the fact that the bylaws
define that Consortium Members have Consortium Member Representatives,
and that some Members (in the sense of the Process) do not qualify to be
Consortium Members (and thus don't have a C.M.Rep.). It does not need to
concern itself with why the bylaws exclude some organisations from being
Consortium Members, and therefore reducing the interdependency is
desirable: this allows the bylaws to evolve the criteria if needed,
without needing any revision in the Process.
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This PR is still a work-in-progress, and it is neither certain that we will decide to do this, nor that these are the exact right words for doing it. But in the spirit of trying to see what it would look like if we did, I have made an additional commit (4634789) to reduce the coupling with the bylaws.

The Process only needs to concern itself with the fact that the bylaws define that Consortium Members have Consortium Member Representatives, and that some Members (in the sense of the Process) do not qualify to be Consortium Members (and thus don't have a C.M.Rep.). It does not need to concern itself with why the bylaws exclude some organizations from being Consortium Members, and therefore reducing the interdependence is desirable: this allows the bylaws to evolve the criteria if needed (including possibly to address https://github.com/w3c/board/issues/249), without needing any revision in the Process.

I also made a minor edit, in response to @tantek in #937 (review), to clarify what that means for the alternate AC Rep.

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The Revising W3C Process CG just discussed https://github.com/w3c/process/pull/937, and agreed to the following:

  • ACTION: Ian to endeavor to secure the list of w3c members with non-AC rep member reps (to support AB and Board conversation)
The full IRC log of that discussion <brent> subtopic: https://github.com//pull/937
<brent> Github: https://github.com//pull/937
<Ian> ACTION: Ian to endeavor to secure the list of w3c members with non-AC rep member reps (to support AB and Board conversation)
<RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/25-w3process-minutes.html Ian
<Ian> Florian: if the answer to the question is "it's fine, let's just merge these" then please read the draft text in the pull request.

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The Revising W3C Process CG just discussed https://github.com/w3c/process/pull/937.

The full IRC log of that discussion <brent> subtopic: https://github.com//pull/937
<brent> Github: https://github.com//pull/937
<Ian> Florian: I'm still awaiting data from the Team.

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The Revising W3C Process CG just discussed https://github.com/w3c/process/pull/937.

The full IRC log of that discussion <brent> subtopic: https://github.com//pull/937
<brent> Github: https://github.com//pull/937
<Ian> Florian: Is this under discussion in the AB?
<Ian> Tess: We're not actively discussing it.
<Ian> Hober: This change seems like it should be under the AB's auspices, then to ask the Process CG to implement it.
<Ian> Brent: There was information that we expected the team to provide.
<Ian> Florian: The Team has said they can't share that information.
<Ian> Florian: I think the AB should take this up (because not a change to bylaws, but rather a change to Process).
<Ian> ...we also need an operational way to talk to Member Reps if they remain distinct.
<Ian> Brent: Assuming we have time on the AB's agenda to talk through issues, I will make sure we talk about this issue.
<Ian> (Some discussion about delegation of rights.)

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