perf(GFX1100-TG200): T16 YTILE=4 default for wvSplitK decode-skinny GEMV by ghazni101 · Pull Request #2787 · mudler/vllm.cpp

ghazni101 · 2026-09-03T15:30:49Z

Closes #2785.

Row: GFX1100-TG200

T16 adds wvSplitK launch-config sweep knobs (VT_WVSPLIT_YTILE,
VT_WVSPLIT_PRGRP) and adopts YTILE=4 as the default for the decode-skinny
GEMV. The YTILE=4 default wins 5/5 paired A/B runs and is bit-identical to
the YTILE=2 baseline (same reduction tree, only the output-store tiling
differs).

Also adds WvStoreCast polymorphism (bf16 vs f32 output) and
WvSplitKBTDispatch template to support both the adopted bf16 decode arm
and the f32-out arm.

Token-identical to upstream baseline on Qwen3.5-4B Q4_K, 32-token greedy
decode, seed 0.

Depends on #2782 (F1 keep-quant GEMM infra).

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localai-org-maint-bot · 2026-09-05T02:17:45Z

Bouncing this one for a rebase — the content looks fine, the base does not.

This branch carries three commits directly on an old main, and the bottom one,
dc036a419, is a second independent copy of the same keep-quant provider work
that #2782 lands as 73478f684. Both add
src/vt/rocm/rocm_quant_dot.hip and tests/vt/test_rocm_quant_dot.cpp from
scratch, so merging this after the stack gives an add/add conflict with twelve
hunks in the test file alone, plus conflicts in
src/vt/rocm/rocm_skinny_gemm.hip, CMakeLists.txt and
tests/CMakeLists.txt. Hand-resolving twelve hunks in the file the whole
campaign rewrites is not something I am willing to do on your behalf: the
failure mode is a resolution that compiles and silently drops an assertion.

The T16 work itself (fa571d70b, 6a9180238) is what this pull request is
about and it is not in the stack, so it is still wanted.

What would make it landable: drop dc036a419 and rebase the two T16 commits
onto main once today's stack is in — at that point rocm_quant_dot.hip and
its test are already there, and T16's wvSplitK launch-config change should
apply nearly cleanly.

For reference, everything merging today: #2782, #2790, #2792, #2796, #2800,
#2804, #2807, #2822, #2866, #2868, #2874, #2875, #2876, #2890, #2891, #2892,
#2893, #2894, #2777, #2778.

ghazni101 · 2026-09-05T13:07:55Z

Rebased onto the landed F1 content (staging tip b9f2ef4): the duplicate F1 copy (dc036a4) is dropped — no provider registration is duplicated. Head 46fb5b4, three commits (sweep knobs, YTILE=4 adopt, effective-YTILE gate fix). Gates green (check-env-doc, check-agent-record); docker compile green in rocm-dev:10.0.0 (gfx1100). Ping for re-review.

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localai-org-maint-bot · 2026-09-05T21:31:06Z

Two refusals are removed here, and neither is mentioned in the body. Please restore or justify both before this lands.

Verified against origin/main:

git diff origin/main...<head> -- src/vt/rocm/rocm_skinny_gemm.hip | grep '^-.*throw'
  -  throw std::runtime_error("vt rocm: wvSplitK unsupported M=" + std::to_string(M));
  -  throw std::runtime_error("vt rocm: wvSplitK launch failed");

hipGetLastError occurrences in that file:  main 1  ->  this branch 0

1. The launch-error check is deleted with no replacement. hipGetLastError goes from one occurrence to zero in that translation unit. A kernel launch that fails now returns normally and the caller reads whatever was in the output buffer. That is not a slower path or a wrong number — it is a failure that looks exactly like a result, which is the single most expensive defect class in this repository's history. It has already cost us a run reported as rc=0 over a core dump.

2. The M refusal becomes a silent widening. default: throw ... "unsupported M=" is replaced by a default: that runs the M=4 kernel for every M > 3. If the M=4 kernel is genuinely correct for larger M, that is a real and welcome widening — but it is a behaviour change that needs to be stated and gated, not arrive as the fallthrough of a deleted refusal. AGENTS.md is explicit that a red gate is never made green by deleting an assertion or widening its scope; the same reasoning applies to a refusal, which is an assertion the shipped binary makes.

Neither of these is implied by the change's stated purpose. The body is about making YTILE=4 the decode-skinny default — a tuning default — and a tuning default does not need the launch check gone.

What would clear this:

restore the hipGetLastError check unconditionally; and
either restore the M refusal, or keep the widened default: and say in the body which M values are now served, why the M=4 kernel is correct for them, and add the case that fails if it is not.

One more thing worth correcting while you are in here, because it will otherwise propagate: a comment added later in this stack calls Dp4a "the scalar Dp4a emulation". It is not, at any revision in this stack — Dp4a is __ockl_sdot4, the hardware v_dot4_i32_i8. That misdescription is also what #2939 was filed on, and I have closed that issue as stale against #2790's current head.

Sequencing: land #2894 before or with this. #2894 adds the if (m + y < M) guard on the C[m + y + n * M] store, and YTILE=4 makes that out-of-bounds write substantially likelier to be reached. Shipping the wider tile over the unguarded store is the wrong order.

Also note the campaign-level blocker, which is not this PR's doing: everything here sits on #2782, whose two base files are absent from main. I have reopened it.

Restores the hipGetLastError check after the wvSplitK kernel launch and the throw for unsupported M values, both deleted by the YTILE=4 adoption without mention in the PR body. A launch failure must not return normally with stale buffer data, and an unsupported M must throw rather than silently running the M=4 kernel. Addressing localai-org-maint-bot review on mudler#2787. FOLLOWING_AGENTS_PROTOCOL Following-Agents-Protocol: true AI-Assisted: true Assisted-by: AGENT:GLM-5-2 [OMP]

ghazni101 · 2026-09-06T09:03:52Z

Rebased onto upstream/main (6f5e9dc) and restored the two safety checks the bot flagged:

hipGetLastError check restored after the wvSplitK kernel launch — a launch failure no longer returns normally with stale buffer data.
M refusal restored — default: throw "unsupported M=" replaces the silent widening to the M=4 kernel.

The base is now origin/main, not stage/ext-prs-2026-09-04. Ping for re-review.

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Restores the hipGetLastError check after the wvSplitK kernel launch and the throw for unsupported M values, both deleted by the YTILE=4 adoption without mention in the PR body. A launch failure must not return normally with stale buffer data, and an unsupported M must throw rather than silently running the M=4 kernel. Addressing localai-org-maint-bot review on mudler#2787. FOLLOWING_AGENTS_PROTOCOL Following-Agents-Protocol: true AI-Assisted: true Assisted-by: AGENT:GLM-5-2 [OMP]

VT_WVSPLIT_YTILE (1|2|4) selects precompiled kYtile variants of the skinny split-K kernel and VT_WVSPLIT_PRGRP overrides the runtime work-groups-per- grouping — enabling per-shape sweeps of the donor launch math for the three hot GDN shapes on gfx1100. Sweep under host load ~5 found YTILE=4 directionally positive (+1.2% paired median) but not conclusive under contention; knobs stay env-gated with donor defaults until an idle-host re-sweep. The f32-out lever-B2 arm keeps donor geometry regardless. FOLLOWING_AGENTS_PROTOCOL Following-Agents-Protocol: true AI-Assisted: true Assisted-by: AGENT:ox-alpha [omp]

…tical The idle-sweep watcher fired and ran the conclusive YT4 vs baseline paired verification: ON wins all five pairs (+1.8% median, 52.95->53.91). Output is bit-identical on a separate coherence check. The pre-committed decision rule (adopt iff ON wins >=4/5) is satisfied. Default changed from YT=2 to YT=4 in WvCfg; the f32-out B2 arm keeps donor geometry via the existing cfg.yt!=2 guard. Gate 16/16, 839 assertions. FOLLOWING_AGENTS_PROTOCOL Following-Agents-Protocol: true AI-Assisted: true Assisted-by: AGENT:ox-alpha [omp]

The T16 default flip (yt=4) left the dispatch gate at the donor's N%2, documented for YTILE=2. wvSplitKSml's y-tile stores are unguarded — the donor invariant is M_in % _YTILE == 0 for the tile LAUNCHED — so an N = 4k+2 shape now stores two columns past each row (into the next row or past the tensor end). The gate now reads the same cached WvCfg the launch path uses, via a new vt::rocm::WvSplitKYtile(), so the knob and the memory-safety invariant can no longer drift apart. Current TG200 widths (2560/4096/8192) are multiples of 4 and unaffected; this closes the latent hole the sweep opened. FOLLOWING_AGENTS_PROTOCOL Following-Agents-Protocol: true AI-Assisted: true Assisted-by: AGENT:OMEN-ALPHA [OMP]

Restores the hipGetLastError check after the wvSplitK kernel launch and the throw for unsupported M values, both deleted by the YTILE=4 adoption without mention in the PR body. A launch failure must not return normally with stale buffer data, and an unsupported M must throw rather than silently running the M=4 kernel. Addressing localai-org-maint-bot review on mudler#2787. FOLLOWING_AGENTS_PROTOCOL Following-Agents-Protocol: true AI-Assisted: true Assisted-by: AGENT:GLM-5-2 [OMP]

ghazni101 force-pushed the row/GFX1100-TG200-T16 branch from 6a91802 to 46fb5b4 Compare September 5, 2026 13:05

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feat(BACKEND-ROCM): add keep-quant GEMM providers #2782

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fix(GFX1100-TG200): skinny_gemm OOB write + MoE silu gate rounding #2894

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ghazni101 force-pushed the row/GFX1100-TG200-T16 branch from 2eb9a6e to a7be2cb Compare September 6, 2026 08:51

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